"Roy Jose Lorr" <mosestorah@no-spam> wrote in message
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> Don Homuth wrote:
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> > On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:47:39 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
> > <mosestorah@no-spam> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >Don Homuth wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:13:15 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
> > >> <mosestorah@no-spam> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >The subject is not comparative man made religions and their gods
> > >>
> > >> If it's about any religion at all, then it surely Is about that.
> > >
> > >Absolute Morality is not about religion.
> >
> > Yet the religionists claim that Without Religion, morality is based on
> > Nothing worth discussing.
>
> Religionists are not immune to making absurd claims.
>
> >
> >
> > >> >but the existence of Absolute Morality
> > >>
> > >> There is no Absolute Morality that applies Every Time in Every
> > >> Circumstance either.
> > >
> > >What you're left with then is "moral relativism"... convenient
> > >but hardly moral.
> >
> > What you are left with is, one would hope anyway, some sense of what
> > the situation is that one is dealing with, and a selective application
> > of the Morality involved. The issues range from the trivial to
> > Life/Death across the board.
>
> Like I said: 'you're left with "moral relativity".
>
> >
> >
> > And no one Absolute Morality covers all situations.
>
> If it didn't cover all situations it wouldn't be Absolute.
>
> >
> >
> > >> >where there is no natural design for it in an amoral world.
> > >>
> > >> Morality is a man-made construct. It varies from culture to culture,
> > >> society to society and Time to Time.
> > >
> > >"Morality" is man made but the Absolute Morality it
> > >is judged against is not.
> >
> > Stuff and Nonsense, just on its face. If your supposed
> > Absolute Morality is supposed to function as a sort of benchmark, it
> > fails in its application within minutes of first being considered.
>
> If you feel this way you should easily be able to present a
> moral situation that is exempt from being judged against
> Absolute Morality. I'd certainly be interested in seeing
> such an example.
Killing. It's one of the most rationalized laws in the bible.
"Roy Jose Lorr" <mosestorah@no-spam> wrote in message
> If you feel this way you should easily be able to present a
> moral situation that is exempt from being judged against
> Absolute Morality.
All of them. "Absolute Morality" is a control mechanism for coping with
fear.
Look, since you're being a typical religious pinhead, let's strip religion
down to what it is: It's a coping mechanism.
Throughout history and the world, religion moves in predictable patters.
Starts with idolatry and worship of tangible things like rocks, unexplained
objects, animals, the sun. Basically, gods for everything they can't
explain.
Then they start to figure the mundane stuff out, but they still can't
explain disease, death, love, war...so they worship gods of death, love and
war. Then they figure the more complex stuff out, but there's still the
mystery and fear that they can't explain, so they abandon the lesser gods
and choose a small number. They figure out more--stars, seasons,
volcanos--and then they become monotheistic. They still can't understand
why they're an insignificant dot in the universe, they still can't cope with
mortality, but they've figured out astromony, geology, disease. So God
doesn't send a plague, the rats and mosquitos do. But there's still fear of
death, still fear of insignificance. So there's still a God readily
available for the consolation of the weak and for the vindication of the
tyrant.
"...and I am the shepherd."
>I'd certainly be interested in seeing such an example.
Pick one. I'd certainly be interested in seeing a proven example of the
Judaic god. Let me guess; you want to "see examples" but you're exempt from
having to show them yourself.
Now that's a first-rate used-car-salesman con job right there: I got
something to sell you. Give me everything yo got, and I'll show it to you
when you die. Have FAITH, heathen!
-c
Dave Thompson wrote:
> "Roy Jose Lorr" <mosestorah@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:3FE882EC.FD92A132@no-spam
> >
> >
> > Don Homuth wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:47:39 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
> > > <mosestorah@no-spam> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Don Homuth wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:13:15 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
> > > >> <mosestorah@no-spam> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >The subject is not comparative man made religions and their gods
> > > >>
> > > >> If it's about any religion at all, then it surely Is about that.
> > > >
> > > >Absolute Morality is not about religion.
> > >
> > > Yet the religionists claim that Without Religion, morality is based on
> > > Nothing worth discussing.
> >
> > Religionists are not immune to making absurd claims.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >> >but the existence of Absolute Morality
> > > >>
> > > >> There is no Absolute Morality that applies Every Time in Every
> > > >> Circumstance either.
> > > >
> > > >What you're left with then is "moral relativism"... convenient
> > > >but hardly moral.
> > >
> > > What you are left with is, one would hope anyway, some sense of what
> > > the situation is that one is dealing with, and a selective application
> > > of the Morality involved. The issues range from the trivial to
> > > Life/Death across the board.
> >
> > Like I said: 'you're left with "moral relativity".
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > And no one Absolute Morality covers all situations.
> >
> > If it didn't cover all situations it wouldn't be Absolute.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >> >where there is no natural design for it in an amoral world.
> > > >>
> > > >> Morality is a man-made construct. It varies from culture to culture,
> > > >> society to society and Time to Time.
> > > >
> > > >"Morality" is man made but the Absolute Morality it
> > > >is judged against is not.
> > >
> > > Stuff and Nonsense, just on its face. If your supposed
> > > Absolute Morality is supposed to function as a sort of benchmark, it
> > > fails in its application within minutes of first being considered.
> >
> > If you feel this way you should easily be able to present a
> > moral situation that is exempt from being judged against
> > Absolute Morality. I'd certainly be interested in seeing
> > such an example.
>
> Killing. It's one of the most rationalized laws in the bible.
Do you mean "kill" or "murder"?... there's a huge difference?
Give a specific example.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
