"Shéhérazade" <n_nazreenremove@no-spam> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:22:15 +1200, Steve <steve@no-spam> wrote:
>
> >Evil Bastard allegedly said:
> >
> >> On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:22:21 +1200, Joy wrote:
> >>
> >>> History brands [prostitutes] [as criminals] in just about every
culture.
> >>
> >> Yes - history of just about every (male-dominated) culture.
> >> The very notion of prostitution pushes people's buttons.
> >
> >What Joy said simply isn't true.
> >
>
> Indeed.
>
> In pre-muslim and pre-British India prostitutes were not seen as
> lowly- in fact they were revered to the point of having festivals in
> their honour. They were often the most educated and wealthy women
> around.
>
> In fact, Maharishi Vatsayan observed prostitutes and courtesans
> before he described many of the sexual positions of the Kamasutra.
>
>
>
> --
> "Nobody objects to a woman being a good writer or sculptor or geneticist
> if at the same time she manages to be a good wife, good mother, good
looking,
> good tempered, well groomed and unaggressive."
>
> --Leslie McIntyre
>
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> "Shéhérazade" <n_nazreenremove@no-spam> wrote in message
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> >
> > In pre-muslim and pre-British India prostitutes were not seen as
> > lowly- in fact they were revered to the point of having festivals in
> > their honour. They were often the most educated and wealthy women
> > around.
> >
> > In fact, Maharishi Vatsayan observed prostitutes and courtesans
> > before he described many of the sexual positions of the Kamasutra.
>
> It would appear that you have failed to discern the differences between
> religion and a fertility cult.
>
Hello again, Savonarola. Tell us, how do you distinguish the difference
between religion and a fertility cult?
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> "what a joke" <laughing@no-spam> wrote in message
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> > "Shéhérazade" <n_nazreenremove@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:3efbf756.40196113@no-spam
> > >
> > > In pre-muslim and pre-British India prostitutes were not seen as
> > > lowly- in fact they were revered to the point of having festivals in
> > > their honour. They were often the most educated and wealthy women
> > > around.
> > >
> > > In fact, Maharishi Vatsayan observed prostitutes and courtesans
> > > before he described many of the sexual positions of the Kamasutra.
> >
> > It would appear that you have failed to discern the differences between
> > religion and a fertility cult.
> >
>
> Hello again, Savonarola. Tell us, how do you distinguish the difference
> between religion and a fertility cult?
False religions/fertility cults worship the flesh ie that which is transient
or temporal, worldly.
An interesting short article dealing with the topic of Sexually Transmitted
Diseases can be found at Jack's Web Cult and Subculture Research page;
http://members.aol.com/jackmroper/std.htm
Absolute wrote:
> "Sue Bilstein" <sue_bilstein@no-spam> wrote in message
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>> "what a joke" <laughing@no-spam> wrote in message
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>> > "Shéhérazade" <n_nazreenremove@no-spam> wrote in message
>> > news:3efbf756.40196113@no-spam
>> > >
>> > > In pre-muslim and pre-British India prostitutes were not seen as
>> > > lowly- in fact they were revered to the point of having festivals in
>> > > their honour. They were often the most educated and wealthy women
>> > > around.
>> > >
>> > > In fact, Maharishi Vatsayan observed prostitutes and courtesans
>> > > before he described many of the sexual positions of the Kamasutra.
>> >
>> > It would appear that you have failed to discern the differences between
>> > religion and a fertility cult.
>> >
>>
>> Hello again, Savonarola. Tell us, how do you distinguish the difference
>> between religion and a fertility cult?
>
> False religions/fertility cults worship the flesh ie that which is
> transient or temporal, worldly.
>
The Catholics and Mormons are fertility cults.
> An interesting short article dealing with the topic of Sexually
> Transmitted Diseases can be found at Jack's Web Cult and Subculture
> Research page; http://members.aol.com/jackmroper/std.htm
--
If you're not corporate, you're little people!
On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 01:16:28 +1200, Absolute wrote:
> False religions/fertility cults worship the flesh ie that which is transient
> or temporal, worldly.
And other false religions deny the fruits of the world, and push a notion
of separatin of flesh and spirit, akin to the grape being separate from
the vine.
"Sue Bilstein" <sue_bilstein@no-spam> wrote in message
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> "what a joke" <laughing@no-spam> wrote in message
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> > "Shéhérazade" <n_nazreenremove@no-spam> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > In pre-muslim and pre-British India prostitutes were not seen as
> > > lowly- in fact they were revered to the point of having festivals in
> > > their honour. They were often the most educated and wealthy women
> > > around.
> > >
> > > In fact, Maharishi Vatsayan observed prostitutes and courtesans
> > > before he described many of the sexual positions of the Kamasutra.
> >
> > It would appear that you have failed to discern the differences between
> > religion and a fertility cult.
> >
>
> Hello again, Savonarola. Tell us, how do you distinguish the difference
> between religion and a fertility cult?
>
>
Both Greek and Latin Catholicism definitely tend to the fertility or
'Mother' theme though admitedly not to the exclusion of everything else,
though it can almost seem that way in much of rural Ireland.
Moslems do tend to the fairly traditional gender defined roles of Motherhood
as well though I suspect their representation in the NZ parliament is not
even theoretical these days.
New Zealand today has much more in common with Israel.
Gregory
On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:27:21 +0100, "Gregory"
<gregory.humanitas@no-spam> wrote:
>
>"Sue Bilstein" <sue_bilstein@no-spam> wrote in message
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>> "what a joke" <laughing@no-spam> wrote in message
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>> > "Shéhérazade" <n_nazreenremove@no-spam> wrote in message
>> > news:3efbf756.40196113@no-spam
>> > >
>> > > In pre-muslim and pre-British India prostitutes were not seen as
>> > > lowly- in fact they were revered to the point of having festivals in
>> > > their honour. They were often the most educated and wealthy women
>> > > around.
>> > >
>> > > In fact, Maharishi Vatsayan observed prostitutes and courtesans
>> > > before he described many of the sexual positions of the Kamasutra.
>> >
>> > It would appear that you have failed to discern the differences between
>> > religion and a fertility cult.
>> >
>>
>> Hello again, Savonarola. Tell us, how do you distinguish the difference
>> between religion and a fertility cult?
>>
>
>Both Greek and Latin Catholicism definitely tend to the fertility or
>'Mother' theme though admitedly not to the exclusion of everything else,
>though it can almost seem that way in much of rural Ireland.
>
You can hardly call the cult of a virgin who allegedly had one child
only a fertility cult.
Of the three traditional goddess images, Catholicism venerates the
Virgin (Melusine, Luna, Yesod). In the frighteningly intense image of
the Mother of Sorrows, black-robed with her heart pierced by seven
swords, in venerates the "crone" (Hecate, Saturn, Binah); but that's
an image even most Catholics, outside the influence of the Servite
order, wouldn't have been exposed to. The fertile mother (Demeter,
Habondia) is notably absent from the Catholic Marian tradition, as I
see it.
>Moslems do tend to the fairly traditional gender defined roles of Motherhood
>as well though I suspect their representation in the NZ parliament is not
>even theoretical these days.
>
My information on the religious veneration of the women associated
with the founders of Islam is patchy, but I gather the veneration
accorded them is a significant cause of schism within Islam.
As for Islam's reaction to the surviving worship of goddesses, that's
what "The Satanic Verses" was all about. A fascinating book. It does
seem that those excised Qur'anic verses do show some evidence of
tolerance of goddess worship by Muhammed; but they were, in any case,
suppressed by Islam's founders, so they were not a lasting influence
on the faith.
>New Zealand today has much more in common with Israel.
>
How so?
>Gregory
>
Steve B.
"Steve B" <s.bell@no-spam> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:27:21 +0100, "Gregory"
> <gregory.humanitas@no-spam> wrote:
>
>>
> >New Zealand today has much more in common with Israel.
> >
> How so?
>
> >Gregory
> >
> Steve B.
Actually it hasn't, I just wanted to post something controversial. New
Zealand was a model utopia for many Ulster people but those days are gone
for both NZ and Ulster.
Gregory
