NZ GENERAL 1648 GAY INTERIOR DESIGNERS
From: "Sarns" (rackoff@no-spam)
Subject: Gay interior designers...
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:56:36 +1200


... why are all the interior designers on nz tv programmes gay as gay can be??? Are there no heterosexual interior designers?? LOL
Sarns



















From: "Sue Bilstein" (sue_bilstein@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:36:13 +1200

"Sarns" <rackoff@no-spam> wrote in message news:Guj3b.17$4a.4553@no-spam > ... why are all the interior designers on nz tv programmes gay as gay can > be??? Are there no heterosexual interior designers?? LOL >

Maybe female ones?


From: LeftAintRight (kdavies@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:47:23 +1200

Sarns wrote:

> ... why are all the interior designers on nz tv programmes gay as gay can > be??? Are there no heterosexual interior designers?? LOL > > Sarns > >
They only hire the gay ones.

It's PC.


From: kerryd@no-spam (Kerry)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:59:34 GMT

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:56:36 +1200, "Sarns" <rackoff@no-spam>
wrote:

>... why are all the interior designers on nz tv programmes gay as gay can >be??? Are there no heterosexual interior designers?? LOL >
>Sarns
You assume they are homosexual. Most of them have talked about their children, so they've at least be heterosexual at times
You aren;t being a little presumptive?

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From: Alan Liefting (aliefting.remove@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:27:54 +1200

Effeminate or effusive males are not necessarily homosexual. It is perhaps a good generalization but not true in all cases.

On the other hand, if you met my homosexual friends you would most likely assume they are heterosexual.

Sarns wrote:
> ... why are all the interior designers on nz tv programmes gay as gay can > be??? Are there no heterosexual interior designers?? LOL > > Sarns > >

From: "Tilly" (climbaboard@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:46:17 +1200

Sarns wrote:
> ... why are all the interior designers on nz tv programmes gay as gay > can be??? Are there no heterosexual interior designers?? LOL >
> Sarns
There are several straight interior designers on Changing Rooms.
The one who appears to be most effeminate is actually straight .

Tilly
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From: kerryd@no-spam (Kerry)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:58:49 GMT

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:56:48 +1200, Alan Liefting <aliefting.remove@no-spam> wrote:

>
>
>>>... why are all the interior designers on nz tv programmes gay as gay can >>>be??? Are there no heterosexual interior designers?? LOL >>>
>>>Sarns >> >> >> You assume they are homosexual. Most of them have talked about their >> children, so they've at least be heterosexual at times >> >
>We cannot really talk in the polarised language of homosexuality and >hetrosexuality. There is also bisexuality to consider.
>
>A possible senario is hetrosexuality -> bisexuality -> homosexuality
I realise this. I'm not sure why it matters
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From: "Sarns" (rackoff@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:57:35 +1200

"Sue Bilstein" <sue_bilstein@no-spam> wrote in message news:23k3b.129790$JA5.3052190@no-spam > "Sarns" <rackoff@no-spam> wrote in message > news:Guj3b.17$4a.4553@no-spam > > ... why are all the interior designers on nz tv programmes gay as gay can > > be??? Are there no heterosexual interior designers?? LOL > >
>
> Maybe female ones?

sorry... i was speaking specifically of the men in these programmes... :-)

Sarns

From: "Sarns" (rackoff@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:58:26 +1200

"LeftAintRight" <kdavies@no-spam> wrote in message news:bikj3a$34u$2@no-spam > Sarns wrote:
>
> > ... why are all the interior designers on nz tv programmes gay as gay can > > be??? Are there no heterosexual interior designers?? LOL > >
> > Sarns > >
> >
>
> They only hire the gay ones.
>
> It's PC.

Yeah that did run thru my mind to.... bit like all the gay american hairdressers that seem to be popping up on tv in advertisements and programmes...talk about stereotyping
Sarns

From: "Sarns" (rackoff@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:59:39 +1200

"Kerry" <kerryd@no-spam> wrote in message news:3f4de06e.728958@no-spam > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:56:36 +1200, "Sarns" <rackoff@no-spam>
> wrote:
>
> >... why are all the interior designers on nz tv programmes gay as gay can > >be??? Are there no heterosexual interior designers?? LOL > >
> >Sarns >
> You assume they are homosexual. Most of them have talked about their > children, so they've at least be heterosexual at times >
> You aren;t being a little presumptive?

errrrrrr homosexual men can father children... just as lesbians can give birth Kerry....

Well they do 'mince about' and awful lot to give the impression... yeah it might presumptive but prove me wrong.

Sarns

From: "Sarns" (rackoff@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:03:20 +1200

"Alan Liefting" <aliefting.remove@no-spam> wrote in message news:3F4DE73A.7050300@no-spam > Effeminate or effusive males are not necessarily homosexual. It is > perhaps a good generalization but not true in all cases.

I realise this Alan... however there seems to be a tendency in nz programming to let us assume they are...

> On the other hand, if you met my homosexual friends you would most > likely assume they are heterosexual.

I know there are some gorgeous gay men out there... and i've always said all the good guys are either taken or gay LOL... i'm talking about the obviously effeminate guys. Is it possible that in the eyes of the programmers the macho man style as an interior designer just wouldn't was because we expect to see effeminate men instead?

I'm still trying to think of one television show that doesn't have one that minces about.... not that i can i guess cos those shows irritate the crap out of me
Sarns

From: "Sarns" (rackoff@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:05:00 +1200

"Tilly" <climbaboard@no-spam> wrote in message news:fYl3b.129912$JA5.3055434@no-spam > Sarns wrote:
> > ... why are all the interior designers on nz tv programmes gay as gay > > can be??? Are there no heterosexual interior designers?? LOL > >
> > Sarns >
> There are several straight interior designers on Changing Rooms.
> The one who appears to be most effeminate is actually straight .

Poor guy....bet he gets shit about it all the time LOL
Don't get me wrong...i'm not gay bashing.... hell i have gay acquaintances... i just wondered what the trend was about. I should have put 'why do they APPEAR gay as gay..."

Sarns

From: "Sarns" (rackoff@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:05:50 +1200

"v3" <v3@no-spam> wrote in message news:bil0ru$ecc$1@no-spam >
> "Tilly" <climbaboard@no-spam> wrote in message > news:fYl3b.129912$JA5.3055434@no-spam > > Sarns wrote:
> > > ... why are all the interior designers on nz tv programmes gay as gay > > > can be??? Are there no heterosexual interior designers?? LOL > > >
> > > Sarns > >
> > There are several straight interior designers on Changing Rooms.
> > The one who appears to be most effeminate is actually straight .
> >
>
> Its very common for gay people to have children, most live a lie early in > their lives and do what is expected of them, wife and kids etc.. If you > think Changing rooms is Kamp, its nothing compared to watching the living > channel on sky hehe should be called the fruity channel but is entertaining > all the same..

LMFAOOO fruity channel i like that.... well at least they seem to have great senses of humour ;-)

Sarns

From: "Sarns" (rackoff@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:36:39 +1200

"someone do something !" <really?@no-spam> wrote in message news:kgv3b.78$4a.19820@no-spam >
> "Sarns" <rackoff@no-spam> wrote in message > news:q1v3b.74$4a.19718@no-spam > >
> > "Tilly" <climbaboard@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:fYl3b.129912$JA5.3055434@no-spam > > > Sarns wrote:
> > > > ... why are all the interior designers on nz tv programmes gay as gay > > > > can be??? Are there no heterosexual interior designers?? LOL > > > >
> > > > Sarns > > >
> > > There are several straight interior designers on Changing Rooms.
> > > The one who appears to be most effeminate is actually straight .
> >
> > Poor guy....bet he gets shit about it all the time LOL > >
> > Don't get me wrong...i'm not gay bashing.... hell i have gay > > acquaintances... i just wondered what the trend was about. I should have > > put 'why do they APPEAR gay as gay..."
> >
> > Sarns > >
> >
>
> Its because they take as much care over their own appearance as they do over > the appearance of their surroundings.
> NZ culture regards that as effeminate.
> Your stereotyping does the rest.

It's not only gays who take care over their appearance so that is irrelevant really.... as for the NZ culture.... no i personally don't see taking care in your appearance as being effeminate.

I'm not stereotyping ..just asking something that occurred to me. Are u gay and offended? LOL
Sarns

From: "Howard Johnson" (hojo@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:32:51 +1200

"Sarns" <rackoff@no-spam> wrote in message news:V8y3b.123$4a.21948@no-spam >
> "someone do something !" <really?@no-spam> wrote in message > news:kgv3b.78$4a.19820@no-spam > >
> > "Sarns" <rackoff@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:q1v3b.74$4a.19718@no-spam > > >
> > > "Tilly" <climbaboard@no-spam> wrote in message > > > news:fYl3b.129912$JA5.3055434@no-spam > > > > Sarns wrote:
> > > > > ... why are all the interior designers on nz tv programmes gay as > gay > > > > > can be??? Are there no heterosexual interior designers?? LOL > > > > >
> > > > > Sarns > > > >
> > > > There are several straight interior designers on Changing Rooms.
> > > > The one who appears to be most effeminate is actually straight .
> > >
> > > Poor guy....bet he gets shit about it all the time LOL > > >
> > > Don't get me wrong...i'm not gay bashing.... hell i have gay > > > acquaintances... i just wondered what the trend was about. I should > have > > > put 'why do they APPEAR gay as gay..."
> > >
> > > Sarns > > >
> > >
> >
> > Its because they take as much care over their own appearance as they do > over > > the appearance of their surroundings.
> > NZ culture regards that as effeminate.
> > Your stereotyping does the rest.
>
> It's not only gays who take care over their appearance so that is irrelevant > really.... as for the NZ culture.... no i personally don't see taking care > in your appearance as being effeminate.
>
> I'm not stereotyping ..just asking something that occurred to me. Are u gay > and offended? LOL
No, just joining the discussion.
Its hard not to say that a particular piece of fabric looks gorgeous in a non-effeminate way, when talking to other furnishing afficionados I see butch girls that fix their own bikes n cars too.
Some of them might even have effeminate boyfriends Its a mixed up world like the Ray Davies song said.


From: paulsy@no-spam (paulsy)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 03:39:37 GMT

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:36:39 +1200, "Sarns" <rackoff@no-spam>
wrote:

>It's not only gays who take care over their appearance so that is irrelevant >really.... as for the NZ culture.... no i personally don't see taking care >in your appearance as being effeminate.
>
>I'm not stereotyping ..just asking something that occurred to me. Are u gay >and offended? LOL
haha, I would have said they all appear a bit 'poofy'. You're much to nice with your choice of words, sarns. :)


From: "Supergoof" (gone.no@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:18:48 +1200

"Kerry" wrote ...
> "Sarns" wrote:
>
> >... why are all the interior designers on nz tv programmes gay as gay can > >be??? Are there no heterosexual interior designers?? LOL >
> You assume they are homosexual. Most of them have talked about their > children, so they've at least be heterosexual at times
They're all very effeminate then
:o)

-rachel-


From: "Sarns" (rackoff@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:05:29 +1200

"paulsy" <paulsy@no-spam> wrote in message news:3f4ecabe.7292188@no-spam > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:36:39 +1200, "Sarns" <rackoff@no-spam>
> wrote:
>
> >It's not only gays who take care over their appearance so that is irrelevant > >really.... as for the NZ culture.... no i personally don't see taking care > >in your appearance as being effeminate.
> >
> >I'm not stereotyping ..just asking something that occurred to me. Are u gay > >and offended? LOL >
> haha, I would have said they all appear a bit 'poofy'. You're much to > nice with your choice of words, sarns. :)

LOL i can't take the accolades for that paulsy...it was a Howard word in his previous post darls...

kissy kissy
Sarns LOL

From: "Sarns" (rackoff@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:07:17 +1200

<pinkbikini@no-spam> wrote in message news:05mtkvc4t04jjhp684er2l3ft252h9un72@no-spam >
> >"Sarns" <rackoff@no-spam> wrote in message > >news:q1v3b.74$4a.19718@no-spam > [msge snipped]
> > Sarns wrote:
> > ... why are all the interior designers on nz tv programmes gay as >gay > > can be??? Are there no heterosexual interior designers?? LOL > > > > Sarns >
> I would much rather have a gay interior designer any day!
> I was looking for furniture in California and went from store to store > looking as I did not know what I liked/wanted. The 'regular' store > clerks were no bloody use other than wanting to make a sale =
> commission.

[snip]

LOL yeah i have to agree with you... the ones i've happened upon are very friendly and helpful... just seems to go with the territory lol
Sarns

From: "Sue Bilstein" (sue_bilstein@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:23:26 +1200

"Sarns" <rackoff@no-spam> wrote in message news:wWu3b.68$4a.19702@no-spam >
> "Sue Bilstein" <sue_bilstein@no-spam> wrote in message > news:23k3b.129790$JA5.3052190@no-spam > > "Sarns" <rackoff@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:Guj3b.17$4a.4553@no-spam > > > ... why are all the interior designers on nz tv programmes gay as gay > can > > > be??? Are there no heterosexual interior designers?? LOL > > >
> >
> > Maybe female ones?
>
> sorry... i was speaking specifically of the men in these programmes...
:-)
>
I meant that het males might not have the required aptitudes / interests,
but het females might qualify.


From: "v3" (v3@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 03:23:01 +1200

<pinkbikini@no-spam> wrote in message news:05mtkvc4t04jjhp684er2l3ft252h9un72@no-spam >
> >"Sarns" <rackoff@no-spam> wrote in message > >news:q1v3b.74$4a.19718@no-spam > [msge snipped]
> > Sarns wrote:
> > ... why are all the interior designers on nz tv programmes gay as >gay > > can be??? Are there no heterosexual interior designers?? LOL > > > > Sarns >
> I would much rather have a gay interior designer any day!
> I was looking for furniture in California and went from store to store > looking as I did not know what I liked/wanted. The 'regular' store > clerks were no bloody use other than wanting to make a sale =
> commission.
>
> Went to this one store - the guy was gay but he took the time to take > me through the store asking me what I liked and did not like about > pieces, colours etc. As the store stocked a brand name/pieces I > already owned, he was able to further define my tastes.
>
> He was brilliant suggesting what other woods/styles that I may find a > piece in that would probably work; accessories etc.
>
> With that, he just left my daughter and I to look around the store at > our convenience. I chose two substantial pieces then tucked in a > corner, found a large stereo cabinet that matched another wall unit I > already owned.
>
> I've had more than one gay hairdresser in Christhchurch.
> One who agreed to do a special halloween hairdo for me, dyed and > crimped strips of hair various colours. In all, to do the total > hairdo, it took him ages over 4 hours mostly inbetween other clients.
> he cost - the price of a regular shampoo and set - said he just loved > the opportunity to be creative now and again!
> The result - a spectacular hairdo based on 'Cats' as I was wearing a > rather skimply cat outfit.
> No-one believed the coloured hair was not my own!
>
> One of the most popular designers on tv here is Christoper Lowell -
> gay but a great designer and if I ever won the lottery, he would be > my first choice to decorate my new home!
> http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/christopherlowell/christopherlowell.html >

I think we all agree white men cant jump and straight guys cant host design shows.... :)


From: Gib Bogle (bogle@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Gay interior designers...
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:22:32 +1200

Sarns wrote:

> "LeftAintRight" <kdavies@no-spam> wrote in message > news:bikj3a$34u$2@no-spam > >>Sarns wrote:
>>
>>
>>>... why are all the interior designers on nz tv programmes gay as gay > > can > >>>be??? Are there no heterosexual interior designers?? LOL >>>
>>>Sarns >>>
>>>
>>
>>They only hire the gay ones.
>>
>>It's PC.
> > > Yeah that did run thru my mind to.... bit like all the gay american > hairdressers that seem to be popping up on tv in advertisements and > programmes...talk about stereotyping
Is it stereotyping, or jobs for your mates?

Gib