On 17 Aug 2003 Uncle StoatWarbler wrote :
>
> Picture of the spammer and a spectracularly clueless writeup at:
>
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2628999a11,00.html
>
> Who's like to do the honours and add him to the gallery?
>
>
>
Why give the scammy, scummy cunt any [more] free publicity?
--
Nicolaas.
- Plerase don't throw your cigarette butts in the urinal - it makes them
soggy and hard to light.
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:28:27 +0000, Nicolaas Hawkins wrote:
>>
>> Who's like to do the honours and add him to the gallery?
>>
> Why give the scammy, scummy cunt any [more] free publicity?
This is the kind of publicity he doesn't want. The kind which makes ISPs
reluctant to host him.
Oh, and in response to DPF's comment about the DMA claims that there are
no real spammers in NZ, they're using narrow definitions.
Steve Baron has been large-scale fax spamming in NZ for years and has
attempted to branch out into mail spamming several times.
www.baron-marketing.co.nz, hosted at Quik (who supposedly nuked him a
couple of years ago after his last round of mail spam)
He even admits it's receiver cost advertising (at approx 4c/page) at
http://www.baron-marketing.co.nz/trends.htm
registrant_contact_name: Baron Marketing Ltd
registrant_contact_address1: PO Box 38938
registrant_contact_address2: Howick
registrant_contact_city: AUCKLAND
registrant_contact_country: NZ (NEW ZEALAND)
registrant_contact_phone: +64 9 537 3025
registrant_contact_fax: +64 9 522 8844
registrant_contact_email: marketing@no-spam
%
admin_contact_name: Marketing Dept
admin_contact_address1: PO Box 38938
admin_contact_address2: Howick
admin_contact_city: AUCKLAND
admin_contact_country: NZ (NEW ZEALAND)
admin_contact_phone: +64 9 537 3025
admin_contact_fax: +64 9 522 8844
admin_contact_email: marketing@no-spam
%
technical_contact_name: Webmaster at Quik Internet
technical_contact_address1: P.O.Box 183 Kumeu
technical_contact_address2: Auckland, New Zealand
technical_contact_phone: +64 9 414 6001
technical_contact_fax: +64 9 414 6002
technical_contact_email: webmaster@no-spam
%
Roll on a NZ TCPA.
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:26:25 +0000, "Uncle StoatWarbler"
<alanb+google4@no-spam> wrote:
>
>Picture of the spammer and a spectracularly clueless
And/or biased
>writeup at:
>
>http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2628999a11,00.html
>
This is, I agree, a spectacularly inept piece of "journalism", barely
deserving of the name. Rule 1. "get both sides of the story" (and if
possible comment from a knowledgeable neutral party) has been
blatantly violated. (Ducks, expecting a large stone to come crashing
through the panes of my greenhouse).
>Who's like to do the honours and add him to the gallery?
>
Who; the spammer or the reporter (actually a her)?
I was hoping it was going to be the same reporter as did the story on
how internet child-porn collectors were (most?/all?/actually 15% if
you're very generous with your definitions) working with children, and
how these people (most?/all? actually 11%, including the undie
thieves) had convictions for "real life" sexual offences, etc. But no,
it appears the Press has at least two inept and/or biased reporters on
internet questions.
Anna Claridge (spam) and
Yvonne Martin (porn)
Honourable mention, Diana Dekker, Dompost, for her piece on email
interception, which significantly failed to mention the impact of the
Crimes Amendment No. 6 Act, despite my having specifically drawn it to
her attention.
Steve B.
"Uncle StoatWarbler" <alanb+google4@no-spam> writes:
> Picture of the spammer and a spectracularly clueless writeup at:
>
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2628999a11,00.html
>
> Who's like to do the honours and add him to the gallery?
Do we have enough spammer pix yet to make a deck of spammer playing
cards?
-wolfgang
--
Wolfgang S. Rupprecht http://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/
(NOTE: The email address above is valid. Edit it at your own peril.)
Uncle StoatWarbler wrote:
> Picture of the spammer and a spectracularly clueless writeup at:
>
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2628999a11,00.html
>
> Who's like to do the honours and add him to the gallery?
>
>
Looks like his spamming days may be numbered.
http://www.aardvark.co.nz/daily/2003/n081501.shtml
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:26:25 +0000, "Uncle StoatWarbler"
<alanb+google4@no-spam> wrote:
>
>Picture of the spammer and a spectracularly clueless writeup at:
>
>http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2628999a11,00.html
>
>Who's like to do the honours and add him to the gallery?
>
I see he has had death threats, Maybe we get lucky and one of them
works out.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 00:02:41 +0000, "Uncle StoatWarbler"
<alanb+google4@no-spam> wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 08:22:09 +1200, LeftAintRight wrote:
>
>>>
>> Looks like his spamming days may be numbered.
>>
>> http://www.aardvark.co.nz/daily/2003/n081501.shtml
>
>A pretty self-serving press release, all told.
>
>The original reporter had already tipped off all these agencies, nice to
>see Internet NZ waltzing in to seek the glory. It's about what you'd
>expect from that mob....
Actually, it wouldn't surprise me if those agencies were powerless to
act without a formal complaint from the public. Bureaucrats are
seldom keen to do anything when they don't absolutely have to.
--
you can contact me via http://aardvark.co.nz/contact/
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 06:04:24 +1200, Steve B wrote:
>>Picture of the spammer and a spectracularly clueless
> And/or biased
It's pretty much a rip of Juha's story for the NZ Hairoiled.
>>Who's like to do the honours and add him to the gallery?
>>
> Who; the spammer or the reporter (actually a her)?
The spammer. For the nz.* crowd: www.chickenboner.com
"Uncle StoatWarbler" <alanb+google4@no-spam> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.08.17.00.02.41.717559@no-spam
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 08:22:09 +1200, LeftAintRight wrote:
>
> >>
> > Looks like his spamming days may be numbered.
> >
> > http://www.aardvark.co.nz/daily/2003/n081501.shtml
>
> A pretty self-serving press release, all told.
>
> The original reporter had already tipped off all these agencies, nice to
> see Internet NZ waltzing in to seek the glory. It's about what you'd
> expect from that mob....
>
>
>
BURN THE WITCH !!!
Lets all go marching through Burnside with scythes and torches and do it the
Christchurch way.
;-)
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 08:22:09 +1200, LeftAintRight wrote:
>>
> Looks like his spamming days may be numbered.
>
> http://www.aardvark.co.nz/daily/2003/n081501.shtml
A pretty self-serving press release, all told.
The original reporter had already tipped off all these agencies, nice to
see Internet NZ waltzing in to seek the glory. It's about what you'd
expect from that mob....
"Uncle StoatWarbler" <alanb+google4@no-spam> wrote:
> www.chickenboner.com
Is there meant to be something relevant on that page? If so I can't
see it (using Mozilla or IE5). I see a picture (Uncle Sam variant),
one of those mostly-pointless ribbons, and a little animated banner
explaining what spam is. I see no links except the ribbon one.
Lesley Walker
Wellington, New Zealand
--
I can avoid being quoted by saying nothing,
and it seems to work fairly well.
Chuck Falconer
news.software.readers
news:3C10CAF6.DC42630@no-spam
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 00:02:41 +0000, "Uncle StoatWarbler"
<alanb+google4@no-spam> wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 08:22:09 +1200, LeftAintRight wrote:
>
>>>
>> Looks like his spamming days may be numbered.
>>
>> http://www.aardvark.co.nz/daily/2003/n081501.shtml
>
>A pretty self-serving press release, all told.
>
>The original reporter had already tipped off all these agencies, nice to
>see Internet NZ waltzing in to seek the glory. It's about what you'd
>expect from that mob....
Oh shit, so giving up around six hours of my weekend to put all the
documents together in one place, do screen dumps, check with lawyers,
write up actual complaints relating to specific acts is all for
nothing? I've even waded my way through enough penis growth websites
to last a life-time.
DPF
--
Blog: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz
E-mail: david@no-spam
ICQ: 29964527
MSN: dpf666@no-spam
In article <as0ujvs1avpr9fne5dngosjb5ge69t0edg@no-spam>, david@no-spam
says...
> I've even waded my way through enough penis growth websites
> to last a life-time.
How many did you wade through before becoming convinced that
it was a load of crap?
--Peter Metcalfe
Barry Lennox <pbarryplennoxp@no-spam> wrote in message news:<na8tjv4dammah8jlffgq2lfugofnlaoolc@no-spam>...
Why all the fuss? This is what he's selling....
http://www.lazland.com/karikatur/pictures/penis-developer.jpg
In article <L1z%a.11888$9f7.1368923@no-spam>,
"Howard Johnson" <hojos@no-spam> wrote:
> > The original reporter had already tipped off all these agencies, nice to
> > see Internet NZ waltzing in to seek the glory. It's about what you'd
> > expect from that mob....
> >
> >
> >
> BURN THE WITCH !!!
> Lets all go marching through Burnside with scythes and torches and do it the
> Christchurch way.
It would be a bit of a long haul from Burnside, he supposedly lives over
at Northwood.
--
...IRO
Reply to <iro.spring<at>paradise<dot>net<dot>nz>
Hi Everybody. Shane here. I would like to say that ive closed my spam
opperation, deleted everything and sacked all the affiliates. This is
perminant we will not reopen. Im truely sorry for anyone who got
emailed or offended, but i can assure it was the last.
I hope oneday the hatrid i have created with you guys and girls can
eventually be forgiven. I never ment any harm in what I was doing
If anyone wants to contact me,
email is best - support@no-spam
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 06:04:24 +1200, Steve B
<s.bell@no-spam> wrote:
>This is, I agree, a spectacularly inept piece of "journalism", barely
>deserving of the name. Rule 1. "get both sides of the story" (and if
>possible comment from a knowledgeable neutral party) has been
>blatantly violated. (Ducks, expecting a large stone to come crashing
>through the panes of my greenhouse).
>
Sadly, Steve, much of what passes for jounalism in this and many other
countries is nothing more than rewrites (and sometimes, not even that)
of the press releases from the corporate flacks and shills.
There are few bylines in this country that I trouble with any more. I
read yours because I want to find out what hare you're chasing after
now, and because occasionally, you get your mitts into something worth
reading. ;-)
Russell Brown and Adam Gifford are two whose tenaciousness and
research capability I respect. Very few others.
A plague on all your houses, sirrah!
<grumps>
mark
--
"Someone's been mean to you! Tell me who it is, so I can punch him tastefully."
- Ralph Bakshi's Mighty Mouse
"IRO" <iro.dot.spring.a@no-spam> wrote in message
news:iro.dot.spring.a-BD5CF4.22164617082003@no-spam
> In article <L1z%a.11888$9f7.1368923@no-spam>,
> "Howard Johnson" <hojos@no-spam> wrote:
>
> > > The original reporter had already tipped off all these agencies, nice
to
> > > see Internet NZ waltzing in to seek the glory. It's about what you'd
> > > expect from that mob....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > BURN THE WITCH !!!
> > Lets all go marching through Burnside with scythes and torches and do it
the
> > Christchurch way.
>
> It would be a bit of a long haul from Burnside, he supposedly lives over
> at Northwood.
>
Perhaps we could send the Spamish Inquisition.
;-)
Lesley Walker <delirium+usenet@no-spam> wrote in message news:<Xns93DA9DB8CB9CCdelirious@no-spam>...
> "Uncle StoatWarbler" <alanb+google4@no-spam> wrote:
> > www.chickenboner.com
>
> Is there meant to be something relevant on that page? If so I can't
> see it (using Mozilla or IE5). I see a picture (Uncle Sam variant),
> one of those mostly-pointless ribbons, and a little animated banner
> explaining what spam is. I see no links except the ribbon one.
>
What animation? All I see on the banner is HAL staring out at me.
I think it is not intended that the unwashed masses should be
able to casually navigate the site. WHen Shiksaa wants to show us
something she posts the full URL.
--
FF
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 03:25:11 -0700, ShaneA wrote:
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.55.220.52
52.220.55.210.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 210-55-220-52.adsl.ihug.co.nz.
I hope someone's letting Ihug know...
> Hi Everybody. Shane here. I would like to say that ive closed my spam
> opperation, deleted everything and sacked all the affiliates. This is
> perminant we will not reopen. Im truely sorry for anyone who got emailed
> or offended, but i can assure it was the last.
In the words of that beer advert:
"Yeah, right"
> I hope oneday the hatrid i have created with you guys and girls can
> eventually be forgiven. I never ment any harm in what I was doing If
> anyone wants to contact me,
I hope that you get convicted of fraud and bogus medical claims, plus the
tax evasion you seem to have tacitly admitted to at least one reporter.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:26:52 +1200, DPF wrote:
> Oh shit, so giving up around six hours of my weekend to put all the
> documents together in one place, do screen dumps, check with lawyers,
> write up actual complaints relating to specific acts is all for nothing?
> I've even waded my way through enough penis growth websites to last a
> life-time.
Oh golly gosh, a WHOLE 6 hours.
I guess an hour of that was writing the press release.
I spent more time than that assisting Juha to get the information he
needed to find the spammer in the first place.
Juha spent 3 weeks tracking the guy down and getting the interviews, then
another week checking with the various agencies at my suggestion, holding
off publication until he got responses back and things stirred up
somewhat.
To have ISOCNZ/InternetNZ show up with self-promotional press releases
AFTER all the legwork has been done by other people _IS_ glory seeking.
The spammer story and exposure is the result of a lot of hard work by
Juha Saarinen and I'm offended you're trying to cash in on it politically,
as are a number of other people.
A lot of people have invested years of hard work into trying to deal with
the spam problem. It's typical that the glory seekers show up at the last
moments to try and claim the results as theirs.
Unfortunately for you and Internet NZ, the people concerned ARE admins and
they have _long_ memories...
fredfighter@no-spam (Fred the Red Shirt) wrote:
> I think it is not intended that the unwashed masses should be
> able to casually navigate the site. WHen Shiksaa wants to show
> us something she posts the full URL.
<groan>
So I have wasted my time trying to follow "Uncle StoatWarbler's"
cryptic comments. Thanks for at least putting me out of my misery,
Fred.
Lesley Walker
Wellington, New Zealand
--
I can avoid being quoted by saying nothing,
and it seems to work fairly well.
Chuck Falconer
news.software.readers
news:3C10CAF6.DC42630@no-spam
fredfighter@no-spam (Fred the Red Shirt) wrote:
> He buys lists, fools other idiots into doing a lto fo hsi spamming...
I thought for a minute that was an unfamilar technical term from the
world of spammers; maybe one of the spams I get in Chinese characters.
But I see what you mean.
I'd still be interested to know what was actually being flogged by the
Japanese spam I got once; it was called a "FunnyGo", and was pictured
(alongside a lot of dildos and similar equipment) with no clue as to
scale. A flat horizontal rectangular platform with some tubular device
held horizontally above it on an arm.
Might have been anything from an overhead projector to a tanning bed.
But I can't imagine how something that shape would fit into the
"marital aids" class that it appeared to be in.
I can't help it; 99.9% of spam anmnoys the hell out of me, but some
just arouses my curiosity. But before I get blamed for perpetuating
it, I can truthfully say I've never bought anything from a spammer -
or a telemarketer.
I may have purchased the odd thing from a junk-mailed catalog, tho'
Steve B.
Why would you want to make your penis fast? :-) I've seen creams and
sprays designed to do just the opposite.
Maybe if it's about to drop off or its colour is fading...
fredfighter@no-spam (Fred the Red Shirt) wrote:
> What animation? All I see on the banner is HAL staring out at
> me.
Forgot to respond to this bit. It's a short conversation between
Dave and HAL which starts off with "What exactly is spam, HAL?" and
covers the basics. An animated gif by the look of it, but it just
has words. HAL's "eye" changes slightly when Dave speaks.
Lesley Walker
Wellington, New Zealand
--
I can avoid being quoted by saying nothing,
and it seems to work fairly well.
Chuck Falconer
news.software.readers
news:3C10CAF6.DC42630@no-spam
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:34:53 +0000, "Uncle StoatWarbler"
<alanb+google4@no-spam> wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:26:52 +1200, DPF wrote:
>
>> Oh shit, so giving up around six hours of my weekend to put all the
>> documents together in one place, do screen dumps, check with lawyers,
>> write up actual complaints relating to specific acts is all for nothing?
>> I've even waded my way through enough penis growth websites to last a
>> life-time.
>
>Oh golly gosh, a WHOLE 6 hours.
>
>I guess an hour of that was writing the press release.
Actually that was Friday while waiting for a plane at Auckland Airport
(returning from having just taken a half day off work to attend an
anti spam meeting in Auckland)
>I spent more time than that assisting Juha to get the information he
>needed to find the spammer in the first place.
Alan - this isn't some pissing contest where we are competing. Many
people fight spam, and I have always appreciated those who do.
>Juha spent 3 weeks tracking the guy down and getting the interviews, then
>another week checking with the various agencies at my suggestion, holding
>off publication until he got responses back and things stirred up
>somewhat.
>
>To have ISOCNZ/InternetNZ show up with self-promotional press releases
>AFTER all the legwork has been done by other people _IS_ glory seeking.
>
>The spammer story and exposure is the result of a lot of hard work by
>Juha Saarinen and I'm offended you're trying to cash in on it politically,
>as are a number of other people.
You seem to think this is about credit - I'm more concerned with
stopping spam - as is Juha I would say.
I absolutely agree - Juha did a great job tracking the guy down and
getting a major story in the Herald about it. He has all our thanks.
We need more journalists like him.
But the reality is that different people can contribute to stopping
spam in different ways. Journalists can get stories published but
generally they can't lodge complaints with regulatory authorities.
Advocacy groups like INZ can lodge complaints, and can help get
greater publicity on an issue. Also INZ is well poised to lobby NZ
Govt to pass anti spam legislation (if that is what the members want
us to do).
If you want to keep running your own private battles Alan, you're free
to do so. I respect the huge contribution you have made to battling
spam. But regardless of your opinion, I'm going to keep doing what I
can to stop spam.
DPF
--
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E-mail: david@no-spam
ICQ: 29964527
MSN: dpf666@no-spam
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:05:56 +1200, DPF <david@no-spam> wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:34:53 +0000, "Uncle StoatWarbler"
><alanb+google4@no-spam> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:26:52 +1200, DPF wrote:
>>
>>> Oh shit, so giving up around six hours of my weekend to put all the
>>> documents together in one place, do screen dumps, check with lawyers,
>>> write up actual complaints relating to specific acts is all for nothing?
>>> I've even waded my way through enough penis growth websites to last a
>>> life-time.
>>
>>Oh golly gosh, a WHOLE 6 hours.
>>
>>I guess an hour of that was writing the press release.
>
>Actually that was Friday while waiting for a plane at Auckland Airport
>(returning from having just taken a half day off work to attend an
>anti spam meeting in Auckland)
>
>>I spent more time than that assisting Juha to get the information he
>>needed to find the spammer in the first place.
>
>Alan - this isn't some pissing contest where we are competing. Many
>people fight spam, and I have always appreciated those who do.
>
>>Juha spent 3 weeks tracking the guy down and getting the interviews, then
>>another week checking with the various agencies at my suggestion, holding
>>off publication until he got responses back and things stirred up
>>somewhat.
>>
>>To have ISOCNZ/InternetNZ show up with self-promotional press releases
>>AFTER all the legwork has been done by other people _IS_ glory seeking.
>>
>>The spammer story and exposure is the result of a lot of hard work by
>>Juha Saarinen and I'm offended you're trying to cash in on it politically,
>>as are a number of other people.
>
>You seem to think this is about credit - I'm more concerned with
>stopping spam - as is Juha I would say.
>
>I absolutely agree - Juha did a great job tracking the guy down and
>getting a major story in the Herald about it. He has all our thanks.
>We need more journalists like him.
>
>But the reality is that different people can contribute to stopping
>spam in different ways. Journalists can get stories published but
>generally they can't lodge complaints with regulatory authorities.
>Advocacy groups like INZ can lodge complaints, and can help get
>greater publicity on an issue. Also INZ is well poised to lobby NZ
>Govt to pass anti spam legislation (if that is what the members want
>us to do).
>
>If you want to keep running your own private battles Alan, you're free
>to do so. I respect the huge contribution you have made to battling
>spam. But regardless of your opinion, I'm going to keep doing what I
>can to stop spam.
>
>DPF
Thanks to the efforts and team of the anti spammers.
Cheers *
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:05:56 +1200, DPF wrote:
> You seem to think this is about credit - I'm more concerned with
> stopping spam - as is Juha I would say.
You could have filed the complaints without making a press release about
it. The fact that you did seems to indicate you're more interested in the
publicity than the spammer being shut down.
Now that the spammer's said he's sorry, I gather you're going to withdraw
the complaints. Why?
Do we forgive bank robbers and let them continue once they promise to
continue? At a claimed 100 million messages/day and recipient ISP handling
costs of around 0.1c/Message, that's $100k/day (US$).
Add in the time taken to Just Hit Delete (JHD) by humans and lost messages
caused by being swamped in spam, so JHDing genuine mail, that's more like
$1million/day.
How much did he make out of the spam? Why should be be allowed to retain
any of it? Allowing that will only encourage more to try.
> But the reality is that different people can contribute to stopping spam
> in different ways. Journalists can get stories published but generally
> they can't lodge complaints with regulatory authorities. Advocacy groups
> like INZ can lodge complaints, and can help get greater publicity on an
> issue. Also INZ is well poised to lobby NZ Govt to pass anti spam
> legislation (if that is what the members want us to do).
So far all I see out of INZ/ISOCNZ is a bunch of handwringing and attempts
to redefine what spam is to please the DMA. you haven't even managed to
get an ISP code of practice widely accepted after 5 years of trying.
quoting "Uncle StoatWarbler" <alanb+google4@no-spam> :
>> You think this is about credit? I'm concerned with stopping spam...
> You could have filed the complaints without making a press release. Seems
> you're more interested in the publicity than the spammer being shut down.
seems like a (foolish) cheap shot; even if you were right, there
could be good (acceptable) reasons for such publicity (even if it
was done with a personal business interest in mind)
> Now that the spammer's said he's sorry, I gather you're going to withdraw
> the complaints. Why? Do we forgive bank robbers...
that's a valid question though... but I can think of answers that
I might accept... (and I haven't followed this thread from the
start, so I don't have an opinion on the details... yet :)
<< But the reality is that different people can contribute to stopping spam
<< in different ways. Journalists can get stories published but generally
<< they can't lodge complaints with regulatory authorities. Advocacy groups
<< like INZ can lodge complaints, and can help get greater publicity on an
<< issue. Also INZ is well poised to lobby NZ Govt on antispam issues...
...like this one. Sounds about right (and reasonable)
> So far all I see out of INZ/ISOCNZ is a bunch of handwringing and attempts
> to redefine what spam is to please the DMA. you haven't even managed to
> get an ISP code of practice widely accepted after 5 years of trying.
hmm, that sounds bad. 5 years, eh? How long did it take us
to get the first sensible reaction out of UUnet though... ?
And how far have we gotten with them ?!?
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