On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:33:01 -0700, "whit" <whit@no-spam> wrote:
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>"Obwon" <ob110ob@no-spam> wrote in message
>news:s97vivg9j06f8k6vpf5f8vrps6sj64u9to@no-spam
>> On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:54:01 -0700, "whit" <whit@no-spam> wrote:
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>> >
>> >"Obwon" <ob110ob@no-spam> wrote in message
>> >news:ipmsivk0rm9k87ci8el93oc403bqhilob8@no-spam
>> >> On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 00:21:26 GMT, "whitster" <whit@no-spam>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Obwon <ob110ob@no-spam> wrote in message
>> >> >news:v3ckivoo210o87kmemoke38k6bfrevlc8a@no-spam
>> >> >> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:32:32 -0700, "whit" <whit@no-spam> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <snips>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Well, now we're getting somewhere! The answer is no, I don't
>> >> >> >> know the answers to these questions, I haven't yet had cause to
>> >> >> >> look. That hardly indicates that I've been giving the solution
>> >> >> >> "knee jerk" approval as you so derisively phrase it (poor choice
>> >> >> >> of words perhaps? I won't dwell on it, it's not important to me,
>> >> >> >> but merely hoping for you to note the "flavor" of word choices so
>> >> >> >> as to perhaps get a better handle on it. After all, the task is
>> >> >> >> to debate a subject, not to impugn each other.)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >i agree. but imo, coming out in support of radical and arguably
>> >> >> >unconstitutional (and inarguably divisive and balkanizing)
>legislation
>> >> >> >without reams of statistical data in support of the 'need' is (imo)
>> >> >classic
>> >> >> >knee jerk.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Only if you feel that the action was taken without it! I
>> >> >> assume that they did do it already
>> >> >
>> >> >and i don't make such a ridiculous assaumption.
>> >>
>> >> Then I take it that you think that there is wide acceptance of
>> >> gays and their lifestyles? No homophobia? That's all just a
>> >> figment of someone's wild imagination? Hmmm...
>> >> That, of course, is what it would take to make my assumption
>> >> ridiculous.
>> >>
>> >
>>
>> >that's a logical fallacy. you are excluding the middle.
>>
>> There it is... That phrase Phil the home brew drinker uses
>> often to absolutely no reasonable effect. "excluding the
>> middle".
>>
>> After that all the rest is easily understood to be merely
>> rhetoric and prattle. I'd rather not waste my time.
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>i have no idea what you are talking about. THIS is excluding the middle
>
>"> >> Then I take it that you think that there is wide acceptance of
>> >> gays and their lifestyles? No homophobia? That's all just a
>> >> figment of someone's wild imagination? Hmmm...
>> >> That, of course, is what it would take to make my assumption
>> >> ridiculous."
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>that statement is disingenuous, strawman creating, and sets up a false
>decision making process.
>
>i never said there was wide acceptance, and that there was no homophobia.
>nobody denies that. the issue is does the level of harassment etc. that gay
>kids face in school, a justification for public segregation.
>
>it's that simple.
>
>your argument is the refuge of a scoundrel. lets deal with facts, not
>rhetoric.
>
>whit
>
>
So, then, you are saying that perhaps gay suicides isn't
sufficient to suspect that there might be a problem? Why do you
forget that you called my reasoning ridiculous? I merely cited
what it would take to make it so, you come back to say that what
amounts to nonsense -- that you believe that there are some
harmful things going on, but that you don't think they rise to
the level that might make some solution necessary -- and you say
this with conviction even while having displayed and admitted to
lacking the very knowledge needed to make such a pronouncement in
the first place.
But then you attempt to castigate me for not somehow parsing
the "harmfuls" you so willingly acknowledge in the attempt to
appear more reasonable. Get a clue, there is no middle to be
excluded, the phrase as it is used here makes absolutely no
sense, nor does your attempt to imbue it with meaning.
Try arguing rationally sometime!
Obwon
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