I am not a Socialist personally, but as with the Greens and Libertarians, I
like many of their ideas. Here's some information should you be interested:
---------------------------------------
Hate Bush?
Against the War?
Want to Fight Back?
******************************
Why You Should Be a Socialist
******************************
Come to the International Socialist Organization's first meeting of the
semester.
Thursday, September 4th 8PM
Lerner Hall, Room E477
For more information, call (212) 502-0707 or email: nyciso@no-spam
Around the world the gap between rich and poor has grown wider than
ever. The richest one percent owns 40 percent of the planet's wealth,
while 1.2 billion people live on less than a dollar a day.
In Bush's America, ordinary people continue to work harder for less,
while CEOs rake in multi-million dollar bonuses while firing more
workers than at any time since the Great Depression. Our budgets are
being slashed, while $1 billion a week is spent on occupying the people
of Iraq!
This is capitalism: a system which puts the profits and privileges of
the few above the basic needs of the rest. It needs violence and racism
to protect these interestspolice repression at home, and war abroad.
We think that a different kind of world is possible- based on the
struggle of ordinary people from below. In February and March millions
marched around the world to oppose Bushs war. These struggles showed
the way!
Come to a meeting about how we can build the movement against war and
occupation abroad; poverty and repression at home; and ultimately a
movement for a different kind of society, based on human need, not
corporate greed!!
For more information, call (212) 502-0707 or email: nyciso@no-spam
Freedom Fighter <liberty@no-spam> wrote in message
news:_tt5b.127272$3o3.8959820@no-spam
> I am not a Socialist personally, but as with the Greens and Libertarians,
I
> like many of their ideas. Here's some information should you be
interested:
> ---------------------------------------
> Hate Bush?
> Against the War?
> Want to Fight Back?
> ******************************
> Why You Should Be a Socialist
> ******************************
> Come to the International Socialist Organization's first meeting of the
> semester.
> Thursday, September 4th 8PM
> Lerner Hall, Room E477
> For more information, call (212) 502-0707 or email: nyciso@no-spam
>
> Around the world the gap between rich and poor has grown wider than
> ever. The richest one percent owns 40 percent of the planet's wealth,
> while 1.2 billion people live on less than a dollar a day.
However, everything I've seen about socialism necessitates a forced equity
of resources - and a group of either elected or appointed administrators to
manage the system, people given a degree of power that "normal" citizens
can't have. That power alone invites greed, corruption, inefficiency, and
mismanagement.
> In Bush's America, ordinary people continue to work harder for less,
> while CEOs rake in multi-million dollar bonuses while firing more
> workers than at any time since the Great Depression. Our budgets are
> being slashed, while $1 billion a week is spent on occupying the people
> of Iraq!
Just a few years ago, the talk was about how ordinary people were able to
make more for working less (dot commers for instance). Is this an issue
with Bush, or with capitalism? The capitalist system has been in place
regardless of Republican or Democratic Presidents. Their goals are
supposedly the same, to "stimulate" the capitalist economy. They sometimes
disagree over how this should be done. But if the issue is capitalism, then
it doesn't really matter whether it's "Bush's America" or "Gore's America"
or anyone's America. Capitalism is capitalism. There are many societies
throughout history where ordinary people have worked hard and not only
achieved less than before, they have achieved nothing - period. As for
budgets being slashed, the numbers don't add up. The federal government
will spend more this fiscal year than ever before.
> This is capitalism: a system which puts the profits and privileges of
> the few above the basic needs of the rest. It needs violence and racism
> to protect these interestspolice repression at home, and war abroad.
The capitalist system, in fact, may counter the ideas of violence and
racism. In capitalism, a person can use the free market to determine who or
what he is beyond class or race. He can offer goods and services that
objectively help others and fulfill needs, regardless of his race. He can
choose a profession that best suits his abilities and preferences. He can
use currency, and not violence, to procure life's needs and wants.
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:58:18 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <liberty@no-spam>
wrote:
>I am not a Socialist personally, but as with the Greens and Libertarians, I
>like many of their ideas. Here's some information should you be interested:
>---------------------------------------
>Hate Bush?
> Against the War?
> Want to Fight Back?
>******************************
>Why You Should Be a Socialist
>******************************
<SNIP IDIOT LIBERAL COMMUNIST CRAP>
This is the kind of crap that liberals post because they hate America,
and will do anything to try to destroy it.
Greg Miller <glmiller@no-spam> wrote in message
news:vr8dlv0ktcsat0avrueg38p095sse4pdbq@no-spam
> This is the kind of crap that liberals post because they hate America,
> and will do anything to try to destroy it.
There are many fine arguments against socialism. Unfortunately, since you
are a fanatical sock puppet, you make none of them. What a shame.
On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 04:36:31 GMT, "rms1" <rms1@no-spam> wrote:
>
>Greg Miller <glmiller@no-spam> wrote in message
>news:vr8dlv0ktcsat0avrueg38p095sse4pdbq@no-spam
>
>> This is the kind of crap that liberals post because they hate America,
>> and will do anything to try to destroy it.
>
>There are many fine arguments against socialism. Unfortunately, since you
>are a fanatical sock puppet, you make none of them. What a shame.
>
This sock puppet called "rms1" calls everyone else a sock puppet when
he does not agree with them. Liberals will always try to tell bigger
and bigger lies to try to cover the truth with their twisted logic
that is built on lies.
Democrats and Republicans both a full of Conservative Socialists.
Republicans are generally more heavy-handed.(Blood-thirsty)
Both have destroyed families through Socio-legislation.
Parents are dumped onto the governments nursing home doorsteps.
People expect the government to do everything for them.
Greg Miller wrote:
>
> On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:58:18 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <liberty@no-spam>
> wrote:
>
> >I am not a Socialist personally, but as with the Greens and Libertarians, I
> >like many of their ideas. Here's some information should you be interested:
> >---------------------------------------
> >Hate Bush?
> > Against the War?
> > Want to Fight Back?
> >******************************
> >Why You Should Be a Socialist
> >******************************
> <SNIP IDIOT LIBERAL COMMUNIST CRAP>
>
> This is the kind of crap that liberals post because they hate America,
> and will do anything to try to destroy it.
