AUS POLITICS 1993 RE SOCIALISM KILLS
From: Enkidu (enkidu@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Socialism Kills
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:17:08 +1200


On 9 Sep 2003 23:37:24 -0700, mikegordge@no-spam (Michael Gordge)
wrote:
>
>Cliff signs off with >
>> >> The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign >> that the conspiracy is working.
>
>What is "evidence" given that YOU claim facts can never be facts?
>
Well in a court of law, evidence is given by both sides. In many cases it is contradictory. Therefore it cannot be facts, either by your definition or by mine.
Cheers,

Cliff --
The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working.




From: bruce.sinclair@no-spam (Bruce Sinclair)
Subject: Re: Socialism Kills
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:23:41 GMT

In article <idutlv4ussj9oeva1g81fdlm0pt7pim1ft@no-spam>, enkidu@no-spam wrote:
>On 9 Sep 2003 23:37:24 -0700, mikegordge@no-spam (Michael Gordge)
>wrote:
>>
>>Cliff signs off with
>>> The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign >>> that the conspiracy is working.
>>What is "evidence" given that YOU claim facts can never be facts?
>Well in a court of law, evidence is given by both sides. In many cases >it is contradictory. Therefore it cannot be facts, either by your >definition or by mine.
Indeed. The number of provable facts are very few. Most opinions rely more on assumptions/"world views" (which many people consider facts :) ). These are, however, not facts (by definition) so any hypothesis based on them fails automatically.

Bruce
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From: mikegordge@no-spam (Michael Gordge)
Subject: Re: Socialism Kills
Date: 11 Sep 2003 01:04:30 -0700

bruce.sinclair@no-spam (Bruce Sinclair) wrote in message news:<igP7b.479$tv1.53794@no-spam>...

> In article <idutlv4ussj9oeva1g81fdlm0pt7pim1ft@no-spam>, enkidu@no-spam wrote:

> >On 9 Sep 2003 23:37:24 -0700, mikegordge@no-spam (Michael Gordge)
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>Cliff signs off with > > >>> The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign > >>> that the conspiracy is working.
> >>What is "evidence" given that YOU claim facts can never be facts?
> >Well in a court of law, evidence is given by both sides. In many cases > >it is contradictory. Therefore it cannot be facts, either by your > >definition or by mine. > > Indeed. The number of provable facts are very few.
Fact is just another name for reality and does NOT need "proving",
what is real (fact) is real (fact) and is independant of man's mind.

Facts are facts regardless and totally independant of man's mind, eg two planes were deliberately flown into two towers in New York two years ago, regardless of what any man thinks, that is a fact.

Most opinions rely more on > assumptions/"world views" (which many people consider facts :) ). These are, > however, not facts (by definition) so any hypothesis based on them fails > automatically.

Fuck, some people talk a lot of crap, give an example of what you mean Bruce, because I have no idea what you are trying to say. Oh I think I understand, you mean, like, when you parasitical socialists say tax is not theft, you are only expressing a "world view" and not a fact?
mmmmm that makes sense.


From: mikegordge@no-spam (Michael Gordge)
Subject: Re: Socialism Kills
Date: 11 Sep 2003 01:04:39 -0700

bruce.sinclair@no-spam (Bruce Sinclair) wrote in message news:<igP7b.479$tv1.53794@no-spam>...

> In article <idutlv4ussj9oeva1g81fdlm0pt7pim1ft@no-spam>, enkidu@no-spam wrote:

> >On 9 Sep 2003 23:37:24 -0700, mikegordge@no-spam (Michael Gordge)
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>Cliff signs off with > > >>> The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign > >>> that the conspiracy is working.
> >>What is "evidence" given that YOU claim facts can never be facts?
> >Well in a court of law, evidence is given by both sides. In many cases > >it is contradictory. Therefore it cannot be facts, either by your > >definition or by mine. > > Indeed. The number of provable facts are very few.
Fact is just another name for reality and does NOT need "proving",
what is real (fact) is real (fact) and is independant of man's mind.

Facts are facts regardless and totally independant of man's mind, eg two planes were deliberately flown into two towers in New York two years ago, regardless of what any man thinks, that is a fact.

Most opinions rely more on > assumptions/"world views" (which many people consider facts :) ). These are, > however, not facts (by definition) so any hypothesis based on them fails > automatically.

Fuck, some people talk a lot of crap, give an example of what you mean Bruce, because I have no idea what you are trying to say. Oh I think I understand, you mean, like, when you parasitical socialists say tax is not theft, you are only expressing a "world view" and not a fact?
mmmmm that makes sense.