Hi guys,
Like all parents, I like to bore people to death with pictures of my
babies. Here's a few of the one I'm doing at the moment (one of those
awful bikes with gears).
One of the head-lugs (the bottom one, if it matters):
http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/audax_head_lug_1.jpg
http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/audax_head_lug_2.jpg
A nice shiny derailleur tab (made from stainless – this one won't be
painted):
http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/derailleur_tab_1.jpg
http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/derailleur_tab_2.jpg
A super close-up of the solder join between the chain-stay and
stainless dropout:
http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/HJ_solder.jpg
Cheers,
Suzy
Phoar! A tad too early in the morning for this kind of thing. ;)
Superb attention to detail, Suzy, top work
--
cfsmtb
Suzy Jackson Wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> Like all parents, I like to bore people to death with pictures of my
> babies. Here's a few of the one I'm doing at the moment (one of those
> awful bikes with gears).
>
> One of the head-lugs (the bottom one, if it matters):
>
> http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/audax_head_lug_1.jpg
> http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/audax_head_lug_2.jpg
>
> A nice shiny derailleur tab (made from stainless – this one won't be
> painted):
>
> http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/derailleur_tab_1.jpg
> http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/derailleur_tab_2.jpg
>
> A super close-up of the solder join between the chain-stay and
> stainless dropout:
>
> http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/HJ_solder.jpg
>
> Cheers,
>
> Suzy
Double Phoar! Shhhhhh! artist at work
what's this one gonna be
--
flyingdutch
flyingdutch Wrote:
> Double Phoar! Shhhhhh! artist at work
>
> what's this one gonna be?
It's going to be a sort of cross between a race bike and a tourin
bike. I call it my "Audax" bike, because it's main role will be lon
distance, fast rides, of 100+km (stuff like the Audax Alpine Classi
etc).
It uses Columbus Zona tubes, with much the same mix of lugs as I use
on the track bike, but with Henry James stainless dropouts this time.
The angles are 72.5 head and 73 seat, with 42cm chainstays. I've mad
up nice stainless rack eyelets, which I'll solder into the seat stay
once they're done.
I've bought a set of forks for it (45mm rake Look HSC3 plastic ones
and intend on using mainly Campy Chorus components (tho with a Phi
Wood bottom bracket, as my experience with the Phil BB on m
track/fixed bike has been very positive).
It'll be a good few months before it's going, as I don't exactly wor
fast. It's _so_ much easier the second time around. I'm tempted t
redo the track frame now, as I'm sure I'd do a much better job of it.
Regards,
Suz
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suzyj
suzyj Wrote:
> It's going to be a sort of cross between a race bike and a touring bike
> I call it my "Audax" bike, because it's main role will be lon
> distance, fast rides, of 100+km (stuff like the Audax Alpine Classi
> etc).
>
> It uses Columbus Zona tubes, with much the same mix of lugs as I use
> on the track bike, but with Henry James stainless dropouts this time.
> The angles are 72.5 head and 73 seat, with 42cm chainstays. I've mad
> up nice stainless rack eyelets, which I'll solder into the seat stay
> once they're done.
>
> I've bought a set of forks for it (45mm rake Look HSC3 plastic ones
> and intend on using mainly Campy Chorus components (tho with a Phi
> Wood bottom bracket, as my experience with the Phil BB on m
> track/fixed bike has been very positive).
>
> It'll be a good few months before it's going, as I don't exactly wor
> fast. It's _so_ much easier the second time around. I'm tempted t
> redo the track frame now, as I'm sure I'd do a much better job of it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Suzy
Beautiful work Suzy, I am impressed.
John Bosevski has offered to lets me use his equipment to build my ow
frame. I'll have to get my but into gear and do it.
Cheer
--
geoffs
Suzy Jackson Wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> Like all parents, I like to bore people to death with pictures of my
> babies. Here's a few of the one I'm doing at the moment (one of those
> awful bikes with gears).
>
> One of the head-lugs (the bottom one, if it matters):
>
> http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/audax_head_lug_1.jpg
> http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/audax_head_lug_2.jpg
>
> A nice shiny derailleur tab (made from stainless – this one won't be
> painted):
>
> http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/derailleur_tab_1.jpg
> http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/derailleur_tab_2.jpg
>
> A super close-up of the solder join between the chain-stay and
> stainless dropout:
>
> http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/HJ_solder.jpg
>
> Cheers,
>
> Suzy
Now that is impressive - it was a great leap forward for me to collec
things that other people had made and put them together. It is a
entirely new level to make the things to put together. Sensational!
Ritc
--
ritcho
"Suzy Jackson" <Suzy.Jackson@no-spam> wrote in message
news:5cd9a0a6.0408111615.159a53e9@no-spam
> Hi guys,
>
> Like all parents, I like to bore people to death with pictures of my
> babies. Here's a few of the one I'm doing at the moment (one of those
> awful bikes with gears).
>
> One of the head-lugs (the bottom one, if it matters):
>
> http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/audax_head_lug_1.jpg
> http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/audax_head_lug_2.jpg
>
> A nice shiny derailleur tab (made from stainless - this one won't be
> painted):
>
> http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/derailleur_tab_1.jpg
> http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/derailleur_tab_2.jpg
>
> A super close-up of the solder join between the chain-stay and
> stainless dropout:
>
> http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/HJ_solder.jpg
>
> Cheers,
>
> Suzy
Suzy...that is pretty awesome.......how long did it take and where did you
learn to solder up bike frames (ie. is there a course at TAFE or
something??).
Being an ex electronics technician and now an electronics engineer I can
solder components to a circuit card but I have never had a crack at brazing
(I assume that is how you are doing it).
How do the total costs (excluding your time as obviously it is a labour of
love) for a frame compare to buying one retail??
Keep up the good work.
Ride On,
Gags
Gags Wrote:
>
> Suzy...that is pretty awesome.......how long did it take and where di
> you
> learn to solder up bike frames (ie. is there a course at TAFE or
> something??).
>
> Being an ex electronics technician and now an electronics engineer
> can
> solder components to a circuit card but I have never had a crack a
> brazing
> (I assume that is how you are doing it).
>
> How do the total costs (excluding your time as obviously it is a labou
> of
> love) for a frame compare to buying one retail??
>
> Keep up the good work.
>
> Ride On,
>
> Gags
It's not as hard as you'd think. I have had no formal training a
brazing or soldering (except for a high reliability soft-solderin
(electronics) course I did once as a tech). I pestered a welder her
at work to show me the ropes, and read a lot (you'd be surprised at th
amount of good stuff there is on the web) and other than that just us
common sense. Soldering with silver solder is very similar t
soldering with lead/tin. The only difference is the temperature an
using a flame rather than a soldering iron. Just make sure everythin
is perfectly clean, fits together well (silver doesn't fill gaps), us
heaps of flux, and heat carefully. Practice makes perfect. If yo
look at the solder joins on my first frame, they're nowhere near a
neat as these ones.
I wrote a bit of a blurb a
http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/bike_frame.html about my experience
building my first frame (the pictures I posted in this thread are fro
my second) which I should probably update, but it says most of wha
needs to be said.
I'm not very fast. I've been working on this one on-and-off for a fe
months in my spare time. The previous one took maybe four months al
up. I like to savour the experience, get it just-so. It's a goo
thing I don't charge myself for my time, or else I'd never be able t
afford it :)
I thoroughly recommend you give it a go. It's not anywhere near a
hard to do as you probably think it is, and you can get away with
surprisingly small set of tools, if you're patient. The tubes ar
fairly cheap, and the lugs and braze-ons similarly. The metal for thi
frame only cost me ~$300, and it's pretty high-zoot stuff. The on
thing it does take though is time.
Regards,
Suz
--
suzyj
"Gags" <gags_44nospamatnospamtpg.com.au> wrote in message news:411b55b9@no-spam
> "Suzy Jackson" <Suzy.Jackson@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:5cd9a0a6.0408111615.159a53e9@no-spam
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > Like all parents, I like to bore people to death with pictures of my
> > babies. Here's a few of the one I'm doing at the moment (one of those
> > awful bikes with gears).
> >
> > One of the head-lugs (the bottom one, if it matters):
> >
> > http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/audax_head_lug_1.jpg
> > http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/audax_head_lug_2.jpg
> >
> > A nice shiny derailleur tab (made from stainless - this one won't be
> > painted):
> >
> > http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/derailleur_tab_1.jpg
> > http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/derailleur_tab_2.jpg
> >
> > A super close-up of the solder join between the chain-stay and
> > stainless dropout:
> >
> > http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame/HJ_solder.jpg
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Suzy
>
> Suzy...that is pretty awesome.......how long did it take and where did you
> learn to solder up bike frames (ie. is there a course at TAFE or
> something??).
>
> Being an ex electronics technician and now an electronics engineer I can
> solder components to a circuit card but I have never had a crack at brazing
> (I assume that is how you are doing it).
>
> How do the total costs (excluding your time as obviously it is a labour of
> love) for a frame compare to buying one retail??
>
> Keep up the good work.
>
> Ride On,
>
> Gags
>
It's a pain in the arse Gags, just buy a frame.
And yes it's just brazing, no biggie there, the hard part is the truing of the frame during the welding. If you're just
a little out during the weld then the frame's rooted, de-solder (heat factor not included!) then start again. Way easier
to purchase a frame from someone with a jig!
G.
In aus.bicycle on Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:51:16 +0930
GDS <no@no-spam> wrote:
> And yes it's just brazing, no biggie there, the hard part is the truing of the frame during the welding. If you're just
> a little out during the weld then the frame's rooted, de-solder (heat factor not included!) then start again. Way easier
> to purchase a frame from someone with a jig!
>
Don't need a jig, just need a sort of anal perfectionism and a lot of
clamps...
http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/sjackson/bike_frame.html is the story I
believe.
Zebee
GDS wrote:
> It's a pain in the arse Gags, just buy a frame.
> And yes it's just brazing, no biggie there, the hard part is the
> truing of the frame during the welding. If you're just
> a little out during the weld then the frame's rooted, de-solder
> (heat factor not included!) then start again. Way easier
> to purchase a frame from someone with a jig!
Of course it's easier to buy a frame, but you're missing the poin
entirely. It's also easier to pay someone to ride the bloody thing fo
you!
As for jigs, they're useful in a production environment to cut th
setup time down, but they aren't necessary. If you're patient an
careful, you can do a better (straighter) job using some simple clamp
and bar stock than someone slapping the thing together with a jig.
Framebuilding, list most any activity, is something where attention t
detail, patience, and good old fashoined anal retentiveness go a lon
way.
Regards,
Suz
--
suzyj
>suzyj wrote:
>Framebuilding, list most any activity, is something where attention
>to detail, patience, and good old fashoined anal retentiveness go a
>long way.
. and that is why this little impatient black slacker duck wont be
building
frames any time soon! :)
Awesome work as usual Suzy! You are a credit to DIY cyclists
everywhere!
hippy
--
hippy
suzyj <suzyj.1b211y@no-spam> wrote in
news:suzyj.1b211y@no-spam
> It's also easier to pay someone to ride the bloody thing for
> you!
>
And if anyone out there is lazy & rich enough that this idea appeals, then
I'm willing to ride for you. I'm happy to give detailed ride reports, don't
expect great speeds though :-)
Graeme
Hippy wrote:
> .. and that is why this little impatient black slacker duck wont b
building
> frames any time soon! :)
But, but, I thought that wonderful file (angle grinder?) work on you
fixed gear was the beginning of something wonderful (or is tha
something truly scary - not sure which)...
> Awesome work as usual Suzy! You are a credit to DIY cyclist
everywhere!
Fankew.
Regards,
Suz
--
suzyj
>suzyj
>But, but, I thought that wonderful file (angle grinder?) work on you
fixed >gear was the beginning of something wonderful (or is tha
something truly >scary - not sure which)...
hehehe lol.. If you saw me operating that grinder with no concern fo
the
poor frame being brutalised.. you would know "truly scary" is accurat
:D
Look.. I'll never say never (well, maybe.. s-o-m-e-times ;)) but in th
near
future I can't see myself being able to mess up a join more than 2 or
times
before I throw the whole thing out for hard rubbish collection o
something!
I could handle woodwork because it was a slow process and you'd have
to be truly "off" for a while for something to be totally ruined. Wit
frame building I could see myself permanently ruining things.. quickly
:)
I don't have a workbench anyway.. no bench = no vice = no fun ;)
hippy :-
--
hippy
